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Tuesday, March 04, 2008

Hillary Clinton angling for McCain VP Spot

Seriously, why is anyone in the Democratic party voting for this....person? After this, I can understand why Republicans would....

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

Doh!!

Anonymous said...

just dave is probably on a real high post OB losing three consecutive battles.

i predicted he would lose in ohio and texas, the minute he said the US would never talk to HAMAS directly. Not because pro-Clinton + McCain voters wouldn't probably completely agree with him on that statement, which is what he was doing - thinking about voters before principles -- but because that was pure political expedience or as Howard Dean said on last Sunday's CNN Late Edition, referring to McCain in his case, 'being a situational ethicist.'

It's not UP to the US to decide WHO THE PEOPLE OVERWHELMINGLY VOTE FOR and WANT IN GOVERNMENT in countries or communities around the world. That's called DEMOCRACY. Something this Admin is NOT good at undermining despite its best efforts in Palestine & Lebanon (read the latest gr8 expose in Vanity Fair's April edition... http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804 )

IF Obama's going to become another Bushie re FP (foreign policy,) then bring back RON PAUL, or it wouldn't really matter WHO wins out of the 3 of them.. jt

Anonymous said...

Guilty as charged. I certainly do have a sweet tooth for liberal infighting. I particularly love the reactions of Obama supporters. They are legitimately gob-smacked that reports are finally asking the smallest, tiniest little questions of Obama. …as if the world were supposed to sit back in awe of his presence and let him coast into the White House w/ nary a word.

You’re right about those elections, though. It’s none of our business telling them who they should elect. The Hamas victory was a defining moment in a population, pulling the curtain back and showing the world they’re really not about even about the appearance of looking for peace. So, yes, they can vote for whomever they want…but they can’t expect us to like it and work with them afterward. If they want to vote for being on the opposite side of the firing line from us, lots of luck.

Anonymous said...

they’re really not about even about the appearance of looking for peace.

that's the only sentence i disagree with, on a personal-professional level, seeing close-up what 'peace' really means.

the majority of israelis want direct talks with hamas, 64% polled last week want a truce and direct talks with the political power representing the majority of palestinians in gaza, rather than bombing their civilians from safe distances with technology the other side has no chance of attaining. and the majority of israelis also want a truce, offered by hamas, always adhered to in the past, rejected by a government that relies on the encouragement and silence of this US administration and apparently now also, the three presidential nominees, falling into line.

i knew you'd be gleeful about obama losing, apparently due to more working-class white folks voting for hilary in ohio and tx. jt

Anonymous said...

you think more working-class white folks voting affected this primary?

just wait for the general election; those wcwf's will come out of the woodwork (bless them for the very existence of this free republic)

Anonymous said...

Not my 1st hand analysis, that's what the news wires were reporting..

' The white, blue-collar voters personified by the 1970s fictional television character cost Obama yesterday. His Democratic presidential rival, Senator Hillary Clinton of New York, beat him 54 percent to 44 percent in industrial Ohio, and 58 percent to 40 percent in heavily Catholic Rhode Island.

In Ohio's 10th district of Cuyahoga County, a suburban enclave on Cleveland's west side that includes a large population of Polish-Americans, Clinton trounced Obama 61 percent to 37 percent, according to exit polls. In the state's Belmont County, an economically depressed Appalachian border area that is predominantly white, she had a 50-point lead over Obama, the first black candidate to have a shot at the White House.

``Race played a significant factor in Ohio,'' said Cuyahoga County Commissioner Timothy Hagan, who supported Obama. ``These people are not necessarily bigots, but the image they see every day of black America is drugs, crime, guns and violence.''

`False Argument'

Obama's chief strategist, David Axelrod, said he doesn't think race would hurt Obama in a general election because the Illinois senator has done well in other states with large white working-class populations.

``That's a false argument,'' he said.

Larger Vulnerability

The weak showing among the white working class in Ohio and Rhode Island reflects a larger vulnerability for Obama, said Joe Trippi, a former senior strategist for John Edwards, who had broad appeal among those voters until he dropped out of the Democratic race last month.

Obama, 46, has ``had a problem with lower-income, downscale, blue-collar Democrats from the beginning,'' Trippi said. ``He typically appeals to better educated, upscale Democrats.''

Ohio exit polls show Clinton beat Obama 62 percent to 35 percent among Catholics, 58 to 40 percent among those with no college degree and 56 percent to 42 percent among those who earn less than $50,000 a year. In Rhode Island, she won Catholics 66 percent to 34 percent, those with no college degree 61 percent to 38 percent, and those earning less than $50,000 by 59 percent to 39 percent.

Obama is still the Democratic front-runner and has shown strength attracting independents and younger voters. While yesterday's results were welcome in the Clinton camp, she barely cut into Obama's overall lead of about 150 pledged delegates.

In addition, the next states to hold contests, Wyoming and Mississippi, are likely to increase his margin. Wyoming on March 8 holds a caucus, a type of contest in which Obama has generally prevailed. Mississippi, which holds a primary on March 11, has a heavy concentration of black voters. Neither state has big populations of white ethnic voters.

Yet Obama will need to do better with the white ethnic working class in places like Pennsylvania and to build a majority in a general election if he is the nominee.

Chicago Neighborhoods

The challenges he faces with these groups are evident in his hometown of Chicago, where voters know him and he is popular. Still, he faces resistance in working-class, white ethnic neighborhoods.

``I can't support him,'' said Richard Dorsch, a 53-year-old paramedic fire chief from Chicago's Edison Park. Dorsch, who said his kids liken him to Archie Bunker, voted for Clinton in the primary, though he plans to support Republican Senator John McCain of Arizona if Obama wins the nomination.

``When he talks to you, it's like he's talking down to you,'' Dorsch said. ``He doesn't have the experience to talk like that.''

Dorsch's 41st Ward, which gave Clinton, 60, a six- percentage-point advantage, is 90 percent white, dominated by German, Polish and Irish ethnic police officers, teachers and city workers.

Chicago's 41st Ward is a classic white working-class neighborhood of bungalows, modest two-flats and Dutch colonials that shuts down on Pulaski Day, the March holiday celebrating Casimir Pulaski, a Pole who fought in the Revolutionary War.

An informal survey of employees at a local bank, gym, library, and neighborhood restaurant turned up no Obama supporters. Some residents said they were concerned that he might not take into account the concerns of whites.

``If Obama gets in, it's going to be a black thing and it's going to be all blacks for blacks,'' said Victoria Mikulski, a 63-year-old clerk in Edison Park. ``Everything's got to be equal.''